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Old 2nd March 2014, 11:37 PM
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After running some analysis on my ratings for Saturday Metro races over the past 14 months since January 2013 I have found something interesting. Overall my top rated horse has the following results with no additional filters based on NSWTAB dividends:

Races - 2323
Wins - 651
S/R - 28%
Return - 2371
P/L - 48
POT - 2.1%

Now after running through some filters I found that 1 filter had almost identical bets and wins but a very different return. The filter is "Won at the Track", here is what I found:

Not Won At The Track
Races - 1162
Wins - 321
S/R - 28%
Return - 1252
P/L - 90
POT - 8%

Won At The Track
Races - 1161
Wins - 330
S/R - 28%
Return - 1118
P/L - -42
LOT - 4%

With almost identical bets and wins the only conclusion I can draw is that this factor has no actual bearing on whether the horse will or won't win but it has a very big bearing on the price of the horse on the TAB......very interesting.
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Old 3rd March 2014, 07:38 AM
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.............Now after running through some filters I found that 1 filter had almost identical bets and wins but a very different return. The filter is "Won at the Track", here is what I found...........



Yes Mattio there are certainly some profitable niches to be found for those prepared to put in the time looking and having a great searchable database. I found a good one this morning for Back betting.

For a particular State and Favourite rank:

Track condition suitable based on past performance.
77 Bets 23 Wins 30% SR 5.69% POT

Track condition unsuitable based on past performance
13 Bets 4 Wins 30% SR 96.92% POT

You can see here a contrarian view. The bookmakers, analysts and tipsters have studied past performance, seen a favourite running on say a 'Slow' track for the first time, Opened the price higher and the punters have let it drift. Same strike rate, big difference in dividend.

Great fun finding these!
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Old 3rd March 2014, 09:04 AM
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Are you able to break your selns down by started ( or not ) at the track?
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Old 3rd March 2014, 09:29 AM
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With almost identical bets and wins the only conclusion I can draw is that this factor has no actual bearing on whether the horse will or won't win but it has a very big bearing on the price of the horse on the TAB......very interesting.
I was intrigued by your finding and so had a small potter around the database.

WON AT TRACK

(a) the horse isn't a maiden
(b) the horse has raced at the track before
(c) >= 8 starters

Today

................ WAT ............................ NWAT

SR.............10.28% ......................... 7.87%

Div..............$8.10 ........................... $10.37

R.F. ............1.183 .......................... 0.899

Looking at the RF's the WAT has an advantage.

....... moving right along :-

WON AT DISTANCE

(a) the horse isn't a maiden
(b) the horse has raced at the distance before
(c) >= 8 starters

.................WAD .......................... NWAD

SR.............9.7% ......................... 8.25%

Div..............$8.08 ........................... $9.84

R.F. ............1.079 .......................... 0.917

....... and even further .................

WON IN WET

(a) the horse isn't a maiden
(b) the horse has raced in Slow and Heavy before
(c) >= 8 starters

.................. WIW ......................... NWIW

SR.............10.02% ......................... 7.86%

Div..............$7.90 ........................... $10.70

R.F. ............1.240 .......................... 0.910

The sample size is 1,436,167 horses in several races.

It is my opinion that the relationship between Av.Div and Relative Frequency tells the story.
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