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Old 13th October 2012, 07:41 PM
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I think favourites are overrated in the big group 1's. Maybe a good system would be to lay the fave in group 1 races. +1.6 points in the 3 races today at Caulfield.
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Old 13th October 2012, 11:31 PM
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1) 3) Scratch Gai Waterhouse horses, overbet and overrated, and dont win in Melb in the Spring.
Flemington 06/10/2012.

Race 8 - Gilgai Stakes


Group 2 - 1200m
Class: Open. Track: Good. Time: 1:08.83. Sectional Time: 0:33.29 at 600m.
Prizemoney: $220,000 - 1st: $132,000 2nd: $39,600 3rd: $19,800.

111. Hallowell BelleMs G WaterhouseV Duric (5)
$7.50






53.5






4m Starcraft (NZ) x Bella Inez (Beautiful Crown (USA) )


Lot 11; 2010 Inglis Premier Yearling Sale; Vendor - Three Bridges Thoroughbreds, Maldon; Buyer - Star Thoroughbreds Pty Ltd $170,000

Previous Start: 3 - Randwick 28/04/2012, Sharp James H B Carr Stakes, 1400m Details
20.87. King's Rose (NZ)P G MoodyL Nolen (2)
$9






55.0






5m Redoute's Choice x Nureyev's Girl (Nureyev (USA) )


Lot 134; 2009 Inglis Australian Easter Yearling Sale; Vendor - Haunui Farm, Auckland, NZ; Buyer - Withdrawn

30.82. Spirit Of BoomT J GollanM J Walker (8)
$5






57.0






5h Sequalo x Temple Spirit (Special Dane )


Lot 141; 2009 MM QTIS 600; Vendor - Eureka Thoroughbreds Pty Ltd; Buyer - THE GOLLAN RACING TRUST $90,000

42.63. GalahPeter SnowdenG Boss (9)
$26






57.0






4h Redoute's Choice x Rinky Dink (Distorted Humor (USA) )
52.84. Bel SprinterJason WarrenB Melham (1)
$2.75






56.0






5g Bel Esprit x Gavroche (Snippets )
62.910. MetallurgicalJohn ThompsonM Zahra (6)
$61






55.0






6g Redoute's Choice x Lady Capel (Last Tycoon (IRE) )
73.99. ExcellantesR L HeathcoteJ Winks (7)
$16






55.0






5g Falvelon x Cantantes (Just Awesome )
84.16. Mid Summer MusicP G MoodyB Rawiller (10)
$7.50






55.0






7m Oamaru Force x Samsara Lady (NZ) (Nassipour (USA) )
94.28. Sistine AngelAndrew NobletCraig Williams (4)
$26






55.0






5m Testa Rossa x Famous Painter (Peintre Celebre (USA) )
105.55. LiveandletdieM A KavanaghD Oliver (3)
$21






55.5






5h Street Cry (IRE) x Janella (IRE) (Great Commotion (USA) )



Must have forgotten about this one ?

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Old 14th October 2012, 10:24 AM
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Hi chaps,

Garyf looks to have come back with the right hook......

I agree yesterday Barny that the two favoured Waterhouse runners were caught in the 'spin cycle.' I think the hype even got to Nash as I'd rate both his rides in his 'worst ever' category.

I thought Fat Al went around at a decent price last week though. It might pay to remember that Grand Final Day for Pierro and MJ is the Cox Plate.......
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Old 14th October 2012, 01:36 PM
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I had a look at Waterhouse's stats on R+S and it makes for interesting reading.

Waterhouse Stats

Her strike rate and POT is better in NSW and you can make a level stakes profit backing Rawiller and Berry on Waterhouse mounts with a profit of 5.4% and 4.1% POT respectively. It would appear sticking to Metro meetings is the go!
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Old 14th October 2012, 04:17 PM
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I have long held the belief that More Joyous will not win the Cox Plate and have already laid her at a short price as I don't think she's a true 2000m horse against the best. I happily laid her yesterday and was never worried in running.
I also laid Pierro in running at 1.40 and must admit I thought I'd done my dough with 200m to go. I am a big fan of Pierro but thought Nash R. made one critical error and that was to go forward when Pierro missed the start. He seemed to not have a plan B.
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Old 15th October 2012, 12:48 PM
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Nice work SpeedyBen!

I'm a bit of a hopeless romantic when it comes to my favourite horses, so I couldn't bring myself to lay More Joyous even though I thought she'd struggle with the 60kg's.

Nash had a terrible time on both horses on Saturday and talk is that they might both be stuffed for the Cox Plate with such hard runs going in. Craig Williams jumping off Pierro is interesting......

Barny did you take the bank interest on Ocean Park? I took it at $1.60 fixed as I thought Sincero wouldn't run it out and things went to plan. Lovely horse.
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Old 15th October 2012, 12:58 PM
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Barny did you take the bank interest on Ocean Park?

Far too short for me TheSchmile
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Old 15th October 2012, 02:27 PM
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Dear o'l Gai trains front runners in a closed shop & does it well - get outside her comfort zone or tactics don't suit & it's rarely all so rosey.
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Old 15th October 2012, 04:34 PM
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Thanks TheSchmile.
Watching the replay I am in awe of what Pierro did. After working hard up the hill in a time that was 12 lengths faster than par he had no right to kick away down the straight.
I was amused to hear Nash R trying to deflect criticism by saying that the horse didn't get into his usual rythym. Gee Nash when the leaders are going at breakneck pace and you're out 4 wide going fastest of all perhaps the horse has an excuse.
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Old 27th October 2012, 05:25 PM
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Need I say any more ?? A big winner last week with Ocean Park and a couple of Gai's down the gurgler today.

Looks like Barny knows his apples from his onions ..... why are my eyes watering ?!?!

Didn't have a bet but history just keep repeating
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