Thanks Peter. Yes, that is what I was after. It doesn't matter what the profit margin is. I was actually thinking along the lines of the data base you mentioned so I'm glad that a profit can be found using it. I have over 60 years of punting behind me so I've done a few laps but have never found anything that lasts very long. Yes, some have started out with a great profit record but in the end they all have gone down the gurgler. Thanks again for you reply.