It seems tips rule here OK Kenny?
Your a bit short of support in your view of tipsters [their all over the show]. As far as the joy that comes from your own selections getting up, well it's a bit like catching your own fish. These guys just head for the nearest fish and chip shop for a deary old piece of whatever their selling :-)

Thought I better add the smile too Kenny. I'm not up to blueing too often nowadays. The ticker can't take it. I will say I'm always impressed by the zesty enthusiasm and new ideas and angles displayed by many here and the joy seems to come from that. A different approach and as valid as handicapping. I'm sure you agree.