I'm interested in hearing comments from anyone with experience or views on "Eclipse" betting software from National Software Australia Corporation.

Cheers.

Hi Dave,

I've had a couple of brochures and phone calls from them, don't know how they got my name. The software was $6,000 up front with no ongoing fees. When I told them I wasn't going to fork out that amount of money they were more flexible on price (pay over a number of months).

Anyway, this happened a couple of months ago and I decided to develop my own system based on a couple of books and have been trialing it over the past 4 weeks(in fact, before this I only ever placed a bet on Cup Day, but getting these brochures prompted me to try myself!). So far I'm up to $170 dollars from my initial pool of $100 betting around 25% each Saturday around 3 races. It takes me about 90 minutes to work out 1 race.

EVERYTHING I've read discredits systems, but then how does mine seem to work? Well mine is formed based and includes a LOT of a historical data hence the time. Most systems don't seem to have the punter put in any hard work - If it was easy everybody would do it!

I know I've only run my system for a month and it could still be a slow death spiral, but I'm having fun :smile:

If you hear anything further on Eclipse let me know - the figures they sent look very good, actually too good. Also check out the consumer affairs web sites - Queensland is the home of ******** racing systems, BUT Eclipse, the company and the directors don't appear on ANY ******** list, I checked...

[ This Message was edited by: mac on 2001-10-22 20:34 ]

Hi Mac,
If your system is form based maybe it is not so much of a system and more a method of using solid racing form to make selections.

From a statistical point of view you will probably need hundreds of results to make a valid judgement.

Anyway, as long as you're enjoying yourself. That's the main thing.

Mr.Logic

Hi Troppo Dave

Do you happen to know the email address or web address for the Eclipse software.

Thanks for your assistance.

Sportman

Most of the info is sent by mail but there is a wbsite with the same guff at ;
http://www.nsac.com.au When you get there limited membership access can be had by using "nsac" as the username and "eclipse" as the password.
Cost is $5,500 with guarantees on just about everything , except it being successful in the future. No ongoing costs and from what I can figure , all rely soley on the program ,ie, no punter input.

Cheers

[ This Message was edited by: Troppo Dave on 2001-10-23 09:55 ]

Howdy Mr. Logic,

I stand corrected. You are right it's a method that I have thrown together into about 10 linked Excel spreadsheets. If it works over the spring/summer I might 'upgrade' it to access over the winter.

Hi Dave,

In talking to them I was under the impression that you had to inout data from the Sportsman in advance - about 15 minutes it takes they say. And you are right about the $5,500 - I was including the 500 they recommend as your initial betting pool

I've received brochures from quite a few companies offering the same kind of product.
They are all **********. C'mon, turn $500 into $70,000 in one year? Pull the other one.

Here's how ALL of these things work.
1. Take a whole lot of horses that have won at good odds in the last, say 5 years.
2. Throw in the odd loser for credibility.
3. Draw up a table of things those horses have in common. Pick half a dozen plausible sounding things from that table.
4. Call that a 'system'.
5. Concoct some staking plan that allows you, using the past results, to build the so called 'bank' up to some rediculous level. Of course, using such an aggressive staking plan in real life would wipe you out 19 times out of 20, but since they are using past results, they can rig the timing of the stake increases to suit them!

It's called retrofitting and it's BOLLOCKS.

Notice the words 'SIMULATED RESULTS' and 'SIMULATED PROFITS' plastered all over their brochure? That's right, they've never actually USED it.

Be very suspicious of any claim that you can somehow rake in money without having to do any work. You CAN make money on the punt, but you have to invest time and brain cells. As a rule, you just don't get something for nothing.

Don't go near it.





[ This Message was edited by: matt on 2001-10-23 14:44 ]

Thanks for the feedback. When I said it didn't involve any user input , I meant punting skills. The program does involve inputing data either from the Sportsman or alternatively by downloading directly into the program using the Form Analyser v3.0 software from the AAP site. This is another $200 plus $6.60 fee per meet.

I agree with Matt. These systems are money makers for only the people that sell them.
It takes hard work, experience and brains to win with any form of punting.
I am devising a trifecta system that uses historical data as a basis - in the same way that these $20000 systems do - it takes some time to work out bets and you have to place your bets manually - but there is no initial outlay of big $ - I'll share it with anyone interested.