If we only bought cheap stuff from China we would be over 12% better off.
Until we lost our jobs because our boss couldn't sell his Australian made stuff.
The world is not only mathematics JFC.There is also a humanity side of things to consider.

Winston.For someone with an ordinary grasp of English grammar,you are a very good speller.

Got ya this time Winston.
Parimutual is actually spelt parimutuel.
parimuteul.paremutual.
No I don't seem to know how to spell it either.
I'll just put this triangular hat back on my head and get back in the corner then shall I?

Me too

once is funny, twice is sad

I think Winston and Haychee are the same person.
What do you think darkydog?

mooee
 

i sure they are.
could not be 2 in same vein.
good for laugh here in siberia.
maybe mr winston give me 100/1winner at xmas not in january.
you think.
mr darky.

Dear Mr Moeee,
What make you think they one in same.

My friend Sloborvan think not.
This TAB better than Old Country.
We only had paramilitary pools instead or par-mutual pools.
This TAB in country is how you say, "is grouse". But the take is how you say "a bit of a rip" for all states, except TAS

I not understand when certan commrads "come raw prawn" over semantics.
Me feel this "munted" way to behave in such supercillious manner.
Me feel sorry that there is much showing of disrespect.

Yours Sincerely,
Bogdan.

thats right jorgo,and the first one was a joke but the 2nd one is to show that two people who seem at first glance to be quite switched on how sad and petty they have become..........im sure if they put all that energy and time into a racing system it would be one of the best in the world by now.........

"Winston_Smith" will not be making any more posts on this forum.

Moderator.

No I didn't end up in Siberia.
They let me off after I pleaded insanity.

You guys amaze me. Winston underscore smith is the same as someone else, Zoe is someones wife. This person is that person. What happens? Do you guys meet down the pub after a session on the forum and know each other?
Guess I'm just niave (no that's not the name of another member).

KV

kenny victor
 

mr winston gone to gulag.
not here from him no more.
mr darky.

I'm surprised that no one has picked up on this farcical pool of $557.

Compare that with CALOUNDRA 1 (the equivalent race) last Sunday you'll find the pool was $18,499!

That $557 in November was clearly something abnormal, particularly when you note how later races that day picked up substantially.

Unless my mind is playing tricks on me, there was some sort of system problem early that day.

Clearly that $557 is an inappropriate instance on which to base an argument, but presumably taking the trouble to find meaningful data would have been too much of an imposition for my former correspondent.

i think you won jfc............but it was only a T.K.O.

Hi KV!
A couple of days ago I posted a message along those lines, but ten minutes later I thought better of it, and deleted the post. My suspicion was aroused by the correct spelling and the way the arguments were presented. The broken english reminded me of Paul Hogan's Luigi. Remember? Only a native english speaker would make those deliberate mistakes.
Cheers

La Mer,

I would have thought that "watch the pool size" (no matter who your service provider is) is so obvious to all that it's not worth mentioning.

And how realistic is your example of $200 on a 20-something? For a start the winnings exceed bookmakers' obligations so would any fixed-price operator accept that much exposure, unless the client was a known consistent loser?

The pool size is very prominently displayed so it's unlikely that any sane person would try plonking that much on a longshot.

If they did then they would get real-time feedback on much they had crushed the pool. That dramatic reality-check would probably leave them with a lesson they'd remember for the rest of their life.

I'd imagine that if Mr Big Enough was trying to put substantial bets like that on AusTote then he would merely put a number of smaller bets, monitoring the effect of the diminishing returns each time.

Once the premium got squeezed then maybe he'd try shopping around elsewhere, although I suspect that Triple-Tote limits of a $100 means he could only plonk on $4. I wouldn't know.

I remind all of my new table which combines my original data with KennyVictor's BestTote figures, and suggests that AusTote is still a clear winner.

That should be the important issue here, rather than speculation about Winston's alma mater.

Intriguing AusTote gambit on Sandown 4. Massive pool of $94,769.

Winner Perfect Feeling paid 5.30 versus 2.50 at Tab Limited.

http://www.nswtab.com.au/today/MR04DIVS.HTM

http://www.austote.com/results.asp

Whoever plonked the big bucks on AusTote must be licking his wounds, unless this was some form of new sting!

More weird (but nice) stuff at AusTOTE.

Pools significantly bigger today. The accompanying immense overs are a sublime sign.

Hawkesbury 1 = $37.65 versus $10.30 in NSW!

Obviously many of you still haven't dipped your toes there - otherwise you'd be unable to contain yourselves.

Stop Guessing.
Be more assertive.
You'll do much better.

I was looking forward to see what new incentives AusTOTE was foreshadowing a few days back.

Now I know.

In the best tradition of Mark Read's mediocre-Plus they are hiking the rake to a uniform 5% with no early-bird or high turnover kickbacks.

Betfair must be ecstatic at their now effective monopoly now that AusTOTE's opted out of the fight.

"however in the near future AusTOTE will be offering incentives and bonuses which will more than compensate for any special rates some customers might have enjoyed."

I won't be holding my breath.

Yup! read the blurb, sounds to me, like "let's have a flat tax because it's easier to administer" . What a load of baloney!!
Betfair, to me at least, is not the complete answer.
Good luck.

http://www.**********************.com.au/index.asp

The FREE 5-outfit live markets are very useful.

From today they show AusTOTE markets as ~109%.

A curious figure for an alleged uniform 5% rake.

Obviously AusTOTE now conveniently deducts 5% then even more conveniently rounds down that figure!

Before that change it was easy for early-birds to endure only a 3% rake. But now that has nearly TRIPLED!

I cannot believe that I'm the only one who's published anything about this bombshell.

For a 5% rake with NO round-downs the market should be 100/95 = 105.26%.

However after manually calculating Warwick Farm 1 yesterday the market comes out to 109.10%!

To note the impact of round-downs I added 5 cents to each dividend.

That market is 107.05%!!!!

What has happened!

AusTOTE no longer seem to publish markets any more which suggests they have now hiked the rate above 5% and forgot to tell anyone!

And they also forgot to mention that their claims about 43% best prices and 19% better return are unlikely to now apply.

I urge everyone to independently check my calculations then decide if there isn't better value elsewhere.

Quick question
 

Hi All

Just a quick question - What (if any) betting sites, other than the TAB's ( e.g. Sportingbet etc.), provide exotic bets (i.e. exacta bets)?

If you don't want to incur the roth of Officialdom, please email me at stix17 @ dodo . com . au

Thanks in advance

IAS do pretty good prices on Exacta and Quinella.

KV

Thanks KV

Much appreciated...

With you there jfc. Was enjoying their competitive prices!

So what precisely is this mystery AusTOTE rake?

Rake _ Market
8.0% = 108.70%
7.5% = 108.11%
7.0% = 107.53%

Yesterday the lowest AusTOTE market was 108.3% so the rake should almost certainly be 7.5%.

Now that they have removed any disclosure as to their actual rake it will be very easy for them to keep hiking it without notice.

I'm amused that this important issue has finally made its way to another forum, although some still seem to believe that it's still a 5% rake just because AusTOTE hasn't bothered disclosing the 50% hike.

Reported elsewhere that Austote have advised that the take-out rate is 7.5% plus round-downs.

At least news of the 7.5% & round-down secret rake is filtering through the other forums - albeit excruciatingly slowly.

I'm amazed that one individual (whom I've had no dealing with) still insists in denying this for 3 days. Why can't he go to the official AusTOTE page and calculate the blessed markets for himself? The fact that all will be above 108.11% should be a huge clue!

As to better value elsewhere I suspect that Betfair is now the best bet, but with the problem that the low liquidity doesn't guarantee you'll get matched at your offered price.

I haven't tried this but wonder how offering lays at 10% below estimated true odds might go.

With the 5-outfit live display that lay price would be 90% * Market * Best Price.

For example early on the Market for best might be 80%.

So offer to lay a $10 shot at 90% * 80% * $10 = $7.20 or worse.

Who would that be JFC?

La Mer,

I trust you're not trying to lure me into a transgression of the Forum T&Cs. Anyway I don't propose to elaborate on my mild observation as that could stir up a hornet's nest.

The important message from my paragraph is that consumers need to be aware of techniques to protect themselves from questionable disclosure.

AusTOTE is by no means Robinson Crusoe in that department. Betfair recently introduced an invisible commission on liquidity enhancers. TAB Limited (NSW) recently hiked Trifecta and FF rakes even more exorbitantly without bothering to inform Internet patrons.

However at least for Win, Place and Quinella, consumers can check the (well-hidden) effective rakes for themselves by going to the trouble of calculating the markets.

No at all JFC, just wondering if it was the same person I had in mind.